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Today's discussion is about: Chapter 7 - The Curse

• When Will first started talking to Magnus, he said, "Jem is my greatest sin." What do yo make this comment? Do you think he really feels that way?
• Oh Will! My heart totally broke for Will in this chapter upon finding out about the demon, his curse and his sister. Now everything makes sense with why he acts the way he does. Why he pushes those he loves away. Why the thinks he is unloveable, is poisonous, is cursed. Do you think the demon cursed Will? Who do you think is behind the message the demon gave him?
• I love Magnus in this chapter. Aside from Jem, I feel like Magnus sees through to who Will really is. Much like Jem, he can at least reason with Will when there's no chance in talking hope into him. I love the question Magnus asks Will, "Are you not concerned with me?" Do you guys think Magnus loves him or does Magnus, like he admitted to himself, just have a weakness for blue eyes and helping the desperate?

 

Cindy Pham March 3, 2013 at 1:34 AM

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WOW, I thought of that and I'm still baffled. I can't really say what Will's trying to say, hmm .. Maybe bc I don't fully understand that full/underlined meaning of "sin." But from what I can guess, Jem is someone he loves and also regrets. He loves Jem, above everyone else at the London Institute. He's been caring for Jem and both are parabatais with the connection and understandability that no one else will ever understand. When Will says "Jem is his greatest sin," it could also mean he will and can do, or give anything for or to Jem. Jem comes first wether his love for Tessa is strong, his love and bond for Jem is stronger. Will knows Jem will die of his illness but bc he already is, and with Will's curse and all, with Will's undying love and affection for Jem, it won't be Will's fault that Jem could die bc of his love. I think Will feels many things. He seems tormented inside. Jem is the only person Will can love without directly killing him as a result of his curse.

I think if there's any constellations to it, it could be a legit curse. But through reading all of TMI series, I haven't heard or read of such. The most unexplainable are the sightings of Valentine and Raphael and their projections, like how does that work if they don't use technology like that OR DO THEY!!!!!!!! Magic from the warlocks? Never heard of demons casting curses before or they all or some would of done such already. And we would of heard or read of any mentions from Cassie. It wouldn't be something new in CP, but TID series is a 'prequel' so this is probably an intro of something or some sort. Btw, Will was only 12, could you blame him for not being so rational in what's believable or not? The message could mean anything or just babble but if we're seriously discussing.. I think it could be a message from Mortmain himself. I still believe Will's father had some dealings with the Shades and the demon who cursed Will could be working with Mortmain or was or was captured by Will's father when the demon was dealing with Mortmain or the Shades. That's probably why Will's family is a target of Mortmain's.

I think with all the constant dealings with a beautiful creature like Will, Magnus has curved a soft spot in his heart for Will. He's come to care for him, Magnus has even said it himself or thought to himself (pg 138-139) "He was really going to have to do something about this annoying softhearted impulse to assist the desperate, Magnus thought. That, and his weakness for blue eyes." ^_* I think anyone like Tessa, Jem or Magnus with the constant interactions and dealings with Will and his emotions and feelings and anything related to Will, you grow to love and accept him and see through all his flaws and imperfection. I love Will too! ^_^¥

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Today's discussion is about: Chapter 3 - Unjustifiable Death

• What are your thoughts on Sophie? There's something about her in chapter 2 that made my heart break for her, as well as love her more than I previously had.
• Jem is seriously killing me, and in a good way. I've always adored him, but loved Will. There's something about Jem in Clockwork Prince that gives me a glimpse of what Tessa sees in him. What is about Jem that draws you to his character?
• So Gideon and Gabriel have arrived. What are your thoughts on their training Tessa?
• I loved the scene with Will and Tessa in the library. These two just need to kiss and to break their tension. What do you make of the quote from A Tale of Two Cities that Will recites? Do you think that it could possibly refer to how he's feeling and what's to come?

 

Cindy Pham February 25, 2013 at 1:20 AM

On page 52, Sophie totally thought Jem was making fun if her saying "..it's always useful for a beautiful girl to be able to fend off the unwanted attentions of gentlemen." And I think Jem meant it but Sophie never thought of herself beautiful because of her scar. Sophie thinks just because she is scared that she's unattractive but its not true. I know what makes us more beautiful and ALL of the scars and flaws that make us who we are. If a man can not truly accept you for all your flaws, he's just NOT THE ONE! Our cars remind us that we've come along way and to not make the same mistake that caused the scar in the first place. Our flaw is just proof that we are human and we makes mistakes and millions more but that's who we are. I do love Sophie more as well because in this chapter, her emotions are being shown/ acted out with almost every mention of Sophie. Her character is seeping through the pages with an "I'm NOT just a servant" kind of attitude.

Jem has that kindness to him that shines. Everything about him glows and there isn't dimness about it. He loves everyone and even Sophie adores him. He doesn't complain or use his weakness as an excuse. He tries just a hard and it doesn't take much effort for him to smile and earn yours right back. He doesn't speak out of turn and seems to ALWAYS have the right thing to say at the right time. He's like someone you can't say no to or not even try to get along with. He's attractive in every way and the only thing holding him back from a long prosper future is his illness. He's just lovable.

Gabriel is the one training Tessa and as she has explained, he's good at what he's doing. He's fairly patient, willing to pick up time after countless times of her dropping the sword and even praises her when she does something right.

The quote of "A Tale of Two Cities" is a perfect example of how Will is with Tessa. His feelings for her. "There is no future for Sydney, is there, with or without love? He knows he cannot save himself without Lucie, but to let her near him would be to degrade her." Will is pushing Tessa away with words. He's hinting her. Giving her clues of his feelings for her that seeping through his skin. He loves her and wants to be with her but because of the curse, he doesn't want to hurt her. And to the last paragraph on page 67 'it had been possible . . . That you could have returned the love of the man you see before yourself--flung away, wasted, drunken, poor creature of misuse as you know him to be--he would have been conscious this day to misery, bring your sorrow and repentance, blight you, disgrace you, pull you down with him--." Can she still accept him for all that's happen to him? Because he did her wrong, and he's so emotionally and mentally bruised that he doesn't know what to do anymore. He's tormented inside. It is like a hint to what's to come but also a pop of the bubble if.. (Can't spoil it!)